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"Mr. Jekielek: Greg, I just finished reading your book, The Respondent, with you, of course, as the respondent, the key character. It’s an incredibly profound piece of work, I have to say. It caused me to think a lot about the relationships I have with all sorts of different people in my life. Yours was a profound journey discussed in the book— a journey not just of yourself, but also of discovering some of the fascinating and disturbing systems we have in America. Tell me, what did you find?
Mr. Ellis: Before I entered the American justice system, I believed in justice and the legal system, and I learned very quickly. When I first walked into court for my first court appearance, I had a clean criminal record, had never been in trouble with the police, hadn’t been arrested, and still haven’t been arrested. We can talk about that. I believed in the system.
I remember sitting in court and looking up at the crest of Sacramento in California, and thinking, “At last, at last, there’s going to be a judge. There’s going to be someone who will be reasonable and make sense of the insensible, and see that this is nonsense and ridiculous—these falsehoods, these litany of lies presented in court— it’s transparent.”
And I quickly learned, to my shock and horror, that I had left America, and entered the star chamber of family law, where there is no presumption of innocence, and where the legal system or the cartel of family law is not answerable to the Supreme Court. Many times, men and fathers, sometimes mothers and women, but more often than not, men and fathers are found guilty until proven more guilty.
Mr. Jekielek: So you say, it’s guilty until proven innocent in family law court. It’s probably very difficult for many to believe that could possibly be the case in a U.S. court. How does that work?
Mr. Ellis: I’m not a legal scholar, but I have the experience of going through the family law system. Family law is not neutral. It doesn’t afford due process. Someone can make an allegation against you, and you don’t have Miranda rights. You don’t have access to an attorney. Your human rights are trampled on. Law enforcement can enter your home, and they can remove you from your home.
Many of the constitutional rights that we think are in place, are not in place. Hearsay evidence, which would not be admissible in criminal court, is not only admissible in family law court, but many times it’s the basis and the grounds for the allegation and accusation to be taken seriously. What you have is, law enforcement comes out to “disturbance,” and they don’t have the discretion anymore.
They used to have discretion, but it’s now mandated that someone, one of the parties, the targeted party, usually a man or a father, is removed from the home and can’t be arrested because no crime is being committed, many times. Sometimes, there’s clear evidence of a crime, obviously. That’s not to say that this is always the case, but jurisprudence in Western civilization was introduced for a reason. So that the burden of proof would be on the accuser, not the accused.
Unless we have that in family law like we have for criminals, terrorists, murderers, and pedophiles, we see a system that is propagating guilt until proven innocent, or more guilty. I can’t prove that I have not committed a crime, you have to prove that I committed the crime. “You’re a thief. You stole that woman’s ring. Prove that you didn’t.” How can you prove that you didn’t? It’s very difficult.
We can’t have a legal system that behaves that way, and yet we do in 2021. If you would have told me my story six years ago, I would have found it preposterous and hard to believe. But it could happen to me and it has. It’s happened to many others like Johnny Depp, who kindly wrote the foreword for my book. Alec Baldwin wrote the introductions in my book, and also wrote the foreword for my book. Brad Pitt has been going through this recently, as well as Jeremy Renner.
There are hundreds of thousands of parents, fathers, mothers, and by de facto, their children, if they have children, that have entered the star chamber and experienced the same. So this in effect, completely uppends jurisprudence."
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